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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: adoption If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

My husband and I are going to adopt two children, this means our children will only travel one-way. A couple of travelagencies tell us we cannot purchase a roundtrip for the children, that the return flight will be automatically cancelled if the children are not onboard on the flight out (from Sweden). A one-way ticket for a child more than two years of age is more expensive than a roundtrip ticket for an adult Confused A local travel agency however, did recommend us to buy the childrens tickets in the country from where we are adopting (Taiwan), they say the prices are a lot less from there, including the one-way tickets. Does anyone of you have more information about this? Now we are considering flying out with a lowbudget airline to Hong Kong or Bangkok and buy all our returntickets in Taiwan. What do you think? Have you got any better ideas? Are the flights usually fully booked and impossible to get three seats in approximately a week beforehand ? (one child under the age of two is going to sit in our lap)
Hoping for an answer, best regards, Mrs
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

Just to clarify...

You are looking for one-way low cost travel from Taiwan to Sweden - is that correct?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:49 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

Yes, that´s correct, our greatest concern is if it is possible to book the oneway tickets from Taiwan to Sweden, and if the tickets are as expensive as booking them from Sweden? We would be there about 1-2 weeks and book the tickets as soon as we get there.
If you have suggestions on how to get there, to Taiwan from Sweden, the cheapest way, we will be very glad to hear it too. We are thinking about going to London with Ryan air and then to Hong Kong with Orion (?). We are also interested in staying in Thailand on the way to Taiwan, spend a week there before it is time to be i Taiwan. Do you know how fully booked these routes can be in lets say one week in advance?
Thank you so much in advance for your time Very Happy /Mrs
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

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our greatest concern is if it is possible to book the oneway tickets from Taiwan to Sweden


It is possible to book one-way flights from Taiwan to Sweden.

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if the tickets are as expensive as booking them from Sweden


When you book flights through the internet, they usually cost the same whether you are booking them from Europe, Asia or Antarctica.

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We would be there about 1-2 weeks and book the tickets as soon as we get there.


Happily, web-based booking allows you to book the flights even before you leave Sweden, if you desire.

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If you have suggestions on how to get there, to Taiwan from Sweden, the cheapest way, we will be very glad to hear it too.


Let's have a look at some of your options from Taiwan to Sweden, first:

You could...

1) Fly one-way on Eva Air from Taipei to London Heathrow for TWD 26,929 (or EUR 574) including taxes
2) Then transfer to London Stansted and catch a Ryanair flight to Sweden.

That seems a little expensive.

Alternatively you could...

1) Fly one-way on on Eva Air from Taipei to Hong Kong for TWD 9494 (or EUR 203) including taxes
2) Then fly one-way on Oasis from Hong Kong to London Gatwick for GBP 190 (or EUR 249) including taxes
3) Then transferring to London Stansted to catch a Ryanair flight to Sweden.

At a total cost of EUR 452 for the flights from Taipei to London - that's over 20% cheaper than the first itinerary.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

So, for each person who is flying from Sweden out to Taiwan and then flying back to Sweden, you could do something like this:

1 x round-trip flight on Ryanair from Sweden - London Stansted - Sweden
1 x round-trip flight on Oasis from London Gatwick - Hong Kong - London Gatwick
1 x round-trip flight on Eva Air from Hong Kong - Taipei - Hong Kong

Then, for each person who is only flying from Taiwan to Sweden, you could do something like this:

1 x one-way flight on Eva Air from Taipei - Hong Kong
1 x one-way flight on Oasis from Hong Kong - London Gatwick
1 x one-way flight on Ryanair from London Stansted - Sweden
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

If you want to take a side-trip to Thailand on your way to Taiwan then, after flying into Hong Kong airport on Oasis, you could take the TurboJET across the Pearl River Delta to Macau and then catch a cheap, low cost flight to Bangkok on Air Asia.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:53 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

I think EVA would probably be the best option. The Taipei - Heathrow flight is via Bangkok, so you can simply book a stop-over on your return flight. The Oasis route below does work out EUR 120 cheaper, but doesn't include a stop-off in Bangkok. When you add in Hong Kong - Macau TurboJet, and Macau - Bangkok flights it isn't that much cheaper, and involves quite a bit of extra work, which isn't ideal whilst travelling with young children.

EVA also fly Amsterdam - Taipei Via Bangkok, so it's worth checking to see if that flight has any advantages over the Heathrow route. The UK has quite high airport taxes now, so the Amsterdam flight may work out cheaper.

I've flown with EVA a few times and highly recommend them. Their return flights are usually excellent value, although from the post above it seems that their one-way flights aren't so great, which is unfortunate.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:00 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

Thanks for that, Konangrit. I have personal experience with all of the airlines above, but not with Eva Air so it's helpful to have some feedback on what they're like.

I think Mrs is considering going to Thailand with her husband on the way to Taiwan, not on the way back when the kids will also be travelling.

But, since Eva Air flies to Taipei via Bangkok, it seems that flying:

London / Amsterdam - Bangkok - Taipei

would be a much better alternative than:

London - Hong Kong - Macau - Bangkok - Macau - Hong Kong - Taipei

I absolutely agree.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:59 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

Thank You both for all valuable information. Very Happy We are definitely going to look into the Eva air option and the routes mentioned. My hope was that the tickets could be booked in Taiwan for a lesser amount than from Sweden, but I guess that was a little to much to hope for. The tickets booked through a travel agency in Sweden going one-way for children older than 2 yrs are the most costly. But going through the internet does makes it cheaper. In addition, since we are not all sure about when we can fly back to Sweden, why we consider booking the tickets in Taiwan.

Thanks again! /Mrs

By the way, I didn´t get a notification about the replies. Question
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:11 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

To clarify, the travel agencies in Sweden book mostly with Thai air and KLM, is it possible that these airlines are less expensive to book oneway when in Taiwan? /Mrs
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

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the travel agencies in Sweden book mostly with Thai air and KLM, is it possible that these airlines are less expensive to book oneway when in Taiwan?


It's not impossible that a one-way flight booked on Thai or KLM through a Taiwanese travel agency might cost a bit less than a one-way flight booked on Thai or KLM through a Swedish travel agency. But there is a more important consideration here. Thai and KLM are both legacy airlines which - as illogical as it might sound - will charge more for a one-way fare than they do for a round-trip fare.

For instance, on the web, a "cheap" return flight from Stockholm Arlanda to Taipei (via Amsterdam) gives the following:

Wednesday, 26th March: Stockholm Arlanda - Amsterdam Schiphol
Wednesday, 26th March: Amsterdam Schiphol - Taipei

Tuesday, 22nd April: Taipei - Amsterdam Schiphol
Wednesday, 23rd April: Amsterdam Schiphol - Stockholm Arlanda

Total Round-Trip Fare: SEK 9735 or EUR 1040

However, as soon as you try to book a one-way flight from Taipei to Stockholm the interface denies you any option except flying business class:

Tuesday, 22nd April: Taipei - Amsterdam Schiphol
Wednesday, 23rd April: Amsterdam Schiphol - Stockholm Arlanda

Total One-Way Fare: SEK 32,408 or EUR 3462

It's unusual for an airline to actually go this far and refuse to sell economy class one-way seats. But that's what KLM appears to be doing in this case - even though a round-trip search clearly shows there are economy class seats available on the 22nd April flight!

Even without this excessive game-play, any legacy carrier with a 20th century style fare system is going to charge you more for a one-way flight than they will for a round-trip flight - whether you book your flight directly on the web or through a travel agent on the ground. That's actually one of the biggest advantages of flying on a low cost airline - the process of paying for flights is significantly more transparent than it is when flying on a legacy airline.

Here's what Thai has to offer on the web for the same dates:

Wednesday, 26th March: Stockholm Arlanda - Bangkok Suvarnabhumi
Thurs, 27th March: Bangkok Suvarnabhumi - Taipei

Tuesday, 22nd April: Taipei - Bangkok Suvarnabhumi
Wednesday, 23rd April: Bangkok Suvarnabhumi - Stockholm Arlanda

Total Round-Trip Fare: SEK 12,537 or EUR 1340

Whereas a one-way flight on Thai from Taiwan to Sweden gives the following

Tuesday, 22nd April: Taipei - Bangkok Suvarnabhumi
Wednesday, 23rd April: Bangkok Suvarnabhumi - Stockholm Arlanda

Total One-Way Fare: SEK 15,702 or EUR 1674

In this case, Thai's one-way flights search is returning economy class seats (rather than business class seats) but, extraordinarily, Thai is charging a 25% higher fare for flying economy class in one direction than it is for flying economy class in both directions.

Unless you know a travel agent who has a way of getting around this issue, you are almost certainly better booking one-way flights with a low cost airline like Oasis which allows you to do so without penalising you or else a low fare airline like Eva Air which doesn't have quite such a transparent fare system but comes close to what the LCCs can offer.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:27 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

Mr Lansdowne,

Thank you for a very clarifying answer. It is nice to hear about how the system works from someone independent from travel agencies and airlines. I´m surprised that we got the advise to book the tickets oneway in Taiwan from an agency here in Sweden after what I´ve learned.
I hope others have some use of this information as well Smile
Now I feel confident in booking low cost airlines.
Best regards, Mrs
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

Mrs wrote:
In addition, since we are not all sure about when we can fly back to Sweden, why we consider booking the tickets in Taiwan.


You'll be able to change the date of your return flight in Taiwan. I'm not sure how much EVA charge for this, or if they charge at all, but it probably depends on the fare-band. Read the conditions whilst booking the flight.

Taipei Reservation Tel: +886-2-25011999
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